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mchl481 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:58 am

So abortion will only happen in Hospital?

mrducky · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:59 am

mchl481 wrote:

So abortion will only happen in Hospital?

what are you saying?

you can get the morning after pill for free from the local GP in aust anon, no questions asked. but if you are under 18 its under the condition you go through a councilling session.

there will be backyard aboritons since abortion would be forced underground due to legality. backyard abortion is done with some alcohol and a clotheshanger. again, not nice imagery.

mchl481 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:57 am

Right - I understand

simmen · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:02 am

if you ban abortion it won't stop those who really want it/need it, only make it worse for them

Maximillian · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:14 pm

simmen wrote:

Maximillian wrote:

simmen wrote:

to all that say it's the womans responsibilety for getting pregnant it's like saying (taking extreme point) it's your fault to be hit in the testicles and stralysed(or how ever writen) while playing footbal, your gf leave you because you can't have a baby with her (extreme), both times it wassen't planed for it to happend and it wassen't what they tried to do, both might end in them losing the love of their life, yes i know i took it to the extreme, but it's to show how stupid it sound that it's her responebilety..

Are you saying that having sex on her own free will isn't her responsibility either? You are right that she does not have to take responsibility when r@pe has occurred. She still put the child up for adoption.

nope, never said it wasen't by free will, but this is under the circumstances that she tried birth control but things didn't go as planed.

As planned? Birth runs its own course. Don't want a child, don't have sex. Simple.

Maximillian · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:31 pm

mrducky wrote:

you state all the time how she shouldnt deal with such responsibilty. yet, carrying a *CENSORED* child will leave incredible psychological scars on her. giving birth although is unlikely to cause her death CAN HAPPEn. and tearing happens at birth too. hmmm not pleasant imagery is that. tearing... tearing...
all this just to appease you who doesnt have to deal with any of the trauma.

I have not met a woman who enjoys the tearing. But I have never met a woman who does not enjoy giving life to another human being. My mother gave birth to me, and THREE other brother, and she is doing just fine.

i meant menstrations. periods. natural periods that occur to all women.

birth control does the same as the natural thing but with the pill its a constant rate.
i dont get the rest of the nature thing.
Menstruation happens AFTER the sperm fails to connect. The pill doesn't even give the sperm a chance to connect. Nature of the human being or nature in general is what I talk about.

condoms prevent STDs. you may be pro life, are you pro AIDS?
Of course I'm not pro AIDS. But if someone has AIDS, then they shouldn't put that burden upon their partner. I said somewhere else, if you don't want a child, don't have sex. What do you mean, double post? Sorry for the stupid question.
oh and try not to double post.

mrducky · **Posted:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:20 am

Maximillian wrote:

As planned? Birth runs its own course. Don't want a child, don't have sex. Simple.

now now, sexual intercourse is considered a leisure activity. its not just for procreation.

Headlines this week.
scientists have successfullly created sperm cells from stem cells.
sex is purely for fun now :3

you are endorsing abstinence for everyone unless their goal is to conceive. thats more tyrannical then what the church put the human race through during the "dark ages"

and you still havent even brushed upon the fact that the egg is sacrificed repeatedly throughout the womans life through natural menstrual cycle

and if you are religious and you believe in intelligent design.

1 million sperm will reach the egg. only 1 will fertilize, the rest are wasted and die. several billion sperm "potential life" is destroyed even in a successful pregnancy. TAKE THAT

and dont double post.

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I have not met a woman who enjoys the tearing. But I have never met a woman who does not enjoy giving life to another human being. My mother gave birth to me, and THREE other brother, and she is doing just fine.

good for her
http://www.beyondblue.org.au/index.aspx?link_id=94
PND aka. post natal depression, i mentioned this before. forcing a woman who has already gone through the trauma of rape to carry and give birth to a child she was forced to conceive is outright murder. the psychological stress placed on such an individual is basically torture and forcing them into depression.

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Is PND common?
Very common. Postnatal depression affects almost one in six women giving birth in Australia.

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Menstruation happens AFTER the sperm fails to connect. The pill doesn't even give the sperm a chance to connect. Nature of the human being or nature in general is what I talk about.

menstruation happens to a still viable egg. it is a process of roughly 1 month, im a guy so i dont know anything clearer then that other then a process that involves egg in egg out.
it has nothing to do with whether or not the sperm connected, the first period a girl has is the first "life" she has "murdered" according to you.

as for nature...
do you reject all forms of antibiotics and vaccinations?
screw nature, we have medicine. and perhaps after eight thousand years of civilisation, all man has come up with is another way to kill each other... but then again, what is the nuke? the gun? the shovel? the poison? the car?

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Of course I'm not pro AIDS. But if someone has AIDS, then they shouldn't put that burden upon their partner. I said somewhere else, if you don't want a child, don't have sex. What do you mean, double post? Sorry for the stupid question.

condoms prevent aids and other STDs. pope face went round africa saying the opposite.
ive stated, sex isnt just for procreation.
to state otherwise is to limit the freedoms of roughly 5.8 billion people around the world.
and you failed with the double post thing

oh and im assuming you be catholic?... LDS?... Scientologist?

Maximillian · **Posted:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:13 pm

Sorry. I was always raised that sex is something between spouses and meant to create life, not temporary pleasure.
What a person does to her own body and what the body does on its own are two complete things. She doesn't have the choice to not menstruate. THAT is nature. Those 1 million sperm that don't make it aren't decided by the couple.
PND is, as the writer says, is temporary. Abortion depression lasts a very long time, in most cases, almost the entire lifespan.
Again, the first period is not up to her. Murder is caused by another human being upon their own free will.
Why would I be against medicine? Nature has, in a metaphorical speaking, its own agenda. The, nuke and the gun were designed to kill. The shovel, the poison, the car are tools of man turned into potential weapons.
Men and women prevent AIDS. I still stand an my views of sex meant to conceive.
I knew you would ask. I didn't want you to be more biased against my posts.
I am indeed a devout Roman Catholic.

bork9128 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:45 pm

Maximillian wrote:

Sorry. I was always raised that sex is something between spouses and meant to create life, not temporary pleasure.
What a person does to her own body and what the body does on its own are two complete things. She doesn't have the choice to not menstruate. THAT is nature. Those 1 million sperm that don't make it aren't decided by the couple.
PND is, as the writer says, is temporary. Abortion depression lasts a very long time, in most cases, almost the entire lifespan.
Again, the first period is not up to her. Murder is caused by another human being upon their own free will.
Why would I be against medicine? Nature has, in a metaphorical speaking, its own agenda. The, nuke and the gun were designed to kill. The shovel, the poison, the car are tools of man turned into potential weapons.
Men and women prevent AIDS. I still stand an my views of sex meant to conceive.
I knew you would ask. I didn't want you to be more biased against my posts.
I am indeed a devout Roman Catholic.

i feel sorry for you that were raised on such a narrow view on the subject and probably many other important subjects although i do agree with the between spouses (i am Presbyterian) but to most people sex will mostly be for fun and i wouldn't call killing a group for cells with no consciousness murder

mrducky · **Posted:** Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:53 pm

Maximillian wrote:

Sorry. I was always raised that sex is something between spouses and meant to create life, not temporary pleasure.
What a person does to her own body and what the body does on its own are two complete things. She doesn't have the choice to not menstruate. THAT is nature. Those 1 million sperm that don't make it aren't decided by the couple.
PND is, as the writer says, is temporary. Abortion depression lasts a very long time, in most cases, almost the entire lifespan.

depression is depression, suicide can still occur. it is even more likely, if you force a woman by law to continue to carry the rape child.

Again, the first period is not up to her. Murder is caused by another human being upon their own free will.

a bunch of cells which are completely unspecialized, can be cultured into stem cells, nerve cells, stomach cells, any cells. no conscious, no definitive notions suggesting life. a person who just died and went brain dead is more alive then those cells. that is what you define as life?

Why would I be against medicine? Nature has, in a metaphorical speaking, its own agenda.

unnatural, human being is supposed to suffer the consequences of their actions from eating that bad sandwich. how dare they use medicine to end the lives of bacterium. when nature deemed that they should instead have diarrhea until they die from dehydration in a long slow process taking at least a week. how dare they interfere with "life"

The, nuke and the gun were designed to kill. The shovel, the poison, the car are tools of man turned into potential weapons.
Men and women prevent AIDS. I still stand an my views of sex meant to conceive.
I knew you would ask. I didn't want you to be more biased against my posts.
I am indeed a devout Roman Catholic.

it doesnt matter what opinion you post from, im biased against your posts, and the mentality that they come from, not the source of that mentality. unless such debate is on that issue COUGHreligiousissuesCOUGH

if you are for sex=conception only, you have very few supporters.

very unpopular movement.

ABORTION